Desire to Return: Neptune in the Birth Chart (Pt. 1: Angular Houses)

Neptune in First House, Fourth House, Seventh House and Tenth House: Fantasy painting of underwater kings and queens, half human, half fish.
Neptune in 4th/10th House Axis: “Sadko in the Underwater Kingdom” by Ilya Repin (1876)

In the first part of this post, I will address Neptune in Angular Houses (Neptune in First House, Neptune in Seventh House, Neptune in Fourth House, and Neptune in Tenth House):


As discussed before, Neptune can stand for the divine “womb” where all souls are incubated before their entrance into the world. As such, Neptune has a distinctly feminine quality, and it symbolizes our unconscious, prenatal memories that may later affect our manner of connecting to the “Divine,” and on a more mundane level, to “Mother Earth”: either we safely belong to it, or we feel like an outsider who is just surfing here without feeling quite at home.

Neptune and the Prenatal Experience:

Incidentally, I have listened to quite a few ladies regarding their experience of pregnancy, and have noticed that a relaxed Neptune in the birth chart of a child (retrospectively, of course) can point to a relaxed fetal stage (“she was as calm as a fish” or “I could barely feel him inside me”), whereas a stressed Neptune may symbolize that the soul has been restless during the fetal stage, as if not feeling quite ready to come to the world. This can be felt by the mother in the form of her receiving the sensation of being kicked or scratched inside the womb more than usual, especially during the later stages of pregnancy. Yoga, meditation, contact with water, and maintaining an inviting attitude towards the unborn child can help ease the prenatal “angst” the fetus may be experiencing at this stage.

Neptune Keywords:

Contrary to common belief, Neptune is not always associated with the watery world of illusion and ideals. It can very well point to a “baptism of fire” (indicated by its co-rulership with Jupiter in the sign of Pisces) in the area of the psyche it is operating. As Neptune represents forces that are largely connected to the prenatal and preverbal stages of development, logic and reasoning cannot do much with regard to healing the challenging aspects represented by Neptune in the chart. Apropos of the nature of this archetype, infinite patience, unconditional love, and a caring, “motherly” attitude towards oneself is the only manner of gradually working with Neptune’s elusive difficulties.

Here you can find a basic, oversimplified explanation of the possible meanings of Neptune in the Houses of the natal chart. Please keep in mind that the aspects to Neptune, the condition of the dispositor, and the general planetary distribution in the chart may radically modify these interpretations.

Neptune in First House / Seventh House Axis:

“I am” vs. “the other is” (Existence)

Neptune in First House:

The soul has largely stayed attached to the pre-natal memory of being one with the whole and is reluctant to define herself as a separate entity. The instinctual response to life is that of nostalgia, feeling misplaced, or a sensation that the individual does not quite fit into the actual context of birth (the assigned gender, family, culture, or religion).

If Neptune is in a good condition, however, the soul would like to see herself as still connected to the totality of existence, and therefore, soothing, unconditional, and accepting in her encounter with the world at large. The instinctual response to life, in this case, is still that of not really “belonging” to the world in general, or the context in which the soul has reincarnated specifically, yet a degree of unconscious wisdom exists that would encourage forgiveness and compassion towards self, and by extension, towards others.

If Neptune conjuncts the Ascendant and the energy of Pisces is emphasized in the chart as well, the individual may have a distinct sensation that Earthly things are not quite familiar and that her soul has experienced incarnation in other life systems (other than Earth). If artistic outlets are available to the individual, often an astonishing amount of creative energy can manifest through this placement.

Challenges of Neptune in First House:

If Neptune is challenged, the soul will unconsciously mourn the loss of Eden (i.e. womb), and may always carry an existential “angst” that cannot be quite relaxed until later in life. The individual with this placement should be aware of the vulnerability of her own soul, and try to be compassionate towards herself. Electing an artistic pursuit or staying in touch with the sea and water would reduce the challenges of this placement, and would, in fact, enable the soul to enjoy her “roundedness”, rather than getting frustrated because of not fitting into any “square” hole.

Neptune in Seventh House:

The soul seeks refuge in “the other” and associates the concept of relating with the possibility of returning to the lost Eden. If Neptune is comfortable in this position, the other would provide a mirror for the soul to see her own utmost beauty in it. In this case, the soul would yearn to relate to the other as a means of spiritual relaxation and reparation. The other would offer a refuge, an escape from the mundane life, a sensation that there still exists beauty in the world, as well as love and healing. The other does not necessarily have to be a human being with whom the individual interacts on a daily basis: it can be an author, an artist, a spiritual figure, or an idealized personality who holds significance for the individual — dead or alive.

Alternatively, Neptune in this position can manifest as one person or a group of people towards whom the individual is giving or caring in some way, for example, the children in an orphanage the individual donates to, or the refugees of war the individual works with. Anyone or anything that “distracts” the person from herself and demands care or charity may fall into this category.

Challenges of Neptune in Seventh House:

If Neptune is challenged in this position, there is a possibility that “the other” may manifest as a “victim” in need of rescue, inviting the individual to give and care, yet eventually ending up victimizing the individual by sucking the life force out of him or her in the guise of love, leaving him or her disillusioned, disoriented, and abandoned.

A challenged Neptune in the Seventh House may very well point to this ultimate disillusionment in connection to the other, therefore a degree of discernment is important to develop for individuals with this placement in their natal chart. It can be far too easy to fall into the “Victim/Savior” trap with Neptune in this position, and the individual can easily mistake charity for love. It is important to understand that a healthy relationship is an equal relationship, where the people involved give and take simultaneously. A desire to be only the giving one usually indicates an unconscious need to play God, to be adored as such, and to be loved as such. Such an attempt is doomed to failure because of the very fact that we are not God anyway, even if we desire to be so.

It is crucial for an individual with this placement in the natal chart to understand the psychological dynamics behind his or her “desire” to indiscriminately give to the other: it is quite probable that such a desire does not stem from goodness; it may rather stem from a God complex. An individual with this placement has to understand this unconscious vulnerability and strive to “humanize” his or her relationship with the other by allowing an equal exchange to take place.

Neptune in Fourth House / Tenth House Axis:

“I build for myself” vs. “I build for others” (Society)

Neptune in Fourth House:

As perfect as Paradise is to dwell in, as painful it would be to get expelled from it. An individual with this placement shelters an ever-present “angst” regarding the metaphoric expulsion from the womb.

Alternatively, as the result of carrying an unconscious memory of a “perfect” dwelling place, where all would live in peace and harmony, the individual may feel quite at home with multitudes, as the ancestral line usually indicates cultural, religious, or ethnic diversity. Depending on other factors in the chart and the condition of Neptune, the individual may feel either like a citizen of the world or a homeless gypsy.

In either case, Neptune in the Fourth House usually prevents the individual from feeling at home only in one place or with one person. There is an unconscious inclination towards multiplicity and diversity, which normally pushes the individual to mix and mingle with a wide range of people and places.

Challenges of Neptune in Fourth House:

Unlike Neptune in First House, which shows the soul is perceiving herself as an “outsider” to the world, Neptune in Fourth House indicates a reversed attitude, that the world is an outsider to the soul, and the soul was never quite ready to enter it in the first place. In other words, the soul perceives herself as still dwelling in a prenatal, Eden-like stage, as if in denial of the “fact” of having come to the world [in the Persian language, “to be born” literally is “to come to the world”]. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, the first men who set foot on the Moon, both had this placement in their natal charts: they symbolically manifested the soul’s desire to “return” to the womb by actually landing on the astrological symbol of the womb, the Moon.

If Neptune contacts Mars from this position or is somehow associated with Mars, the individual may easily fall into depression, as finding a motivation to do anything would seem impossible at times. Mars is an individualistic arrow and Neptune is an all-encompassing circle. The fire of Mars may easily be extinguished in contact with Neptune, and the individual may literally see no “point” (Mars) in getting out of bed (realm of Neptune, i.e. sleep) to take care of daily routines. There may be a strong pull towards escapist forms of recreation, such as using drugs or alcohol, or such a tendency may be present in the life of a parent or parental figure.

Alternatively, the world of art, music, dance, sex, or spirituality may be quite appealing to the individual, as the soul feels at home by fully “drowning” herself in the high tides of beauty.

It is important for individuals with this placement to create a beautiful and dreamy home environment, where they feel comfortably exposed to beauty on a daily basis. Decoration has to be chosen carefully, as there is a sensitivity on a soul level to light, shades, and colors. Living close to a body of water or a remote natural setting is the best way of allowing this energy to flow in a healthy and happy way.

Neptune in Tenth House:

The soul has a yearning to be seen on a public stage, as spiritual fulfillment seems to be connected to the idea of leaving an impression on multitudes. Alternatively, the individual may unconsciously idealize a parental figure, or the parental figure him/herself may display Neptunian qualities (diversity of origin, inclination towards spirituality or artistry, or simply having an escapist attitude).

In either case, Neptune is occupying the section of the chart that has to do with perfecting and building something that would be seen, either by a crowd, or at least, by one other person. The concepts of “endurance” and “hard work” may have been idealized by the individual as well. Regardless of how dream-like the landscape of the soul is with this placement in the natal chart, often a practical approach to dreams may exist, an attitude that helps the individual build something that usually lasts beyond other people’s achievements. Walt Disney is a great example of this placement, having founded the world’s largest media company that would be the best example of an enduring dream.

Challenges of Neptune in Tenth House:

If Neptune is challenged in this position, the individual may completely retreat to his or her work, i.e. turning into a workaholic to forget the more challenging aspects of his or her personality.

Alternatively, climbing the social ladder may become an end that would justify any means. It is important for individuals with this placement to stay aware of what is intrinsically meaningful in their life, in contrast to what seems to be expected of them by the world at large. It can be too easy for an individual with this placement to develop a complacent attitude toward what truly makes him or her feel happy in favor of focusing on an external aura of success. The midlife crisis may rather hit hard if an individual ignores the true calling of the soul with Neptune in this position.

The key to success here is to manifest the Neptunian energy one way or the other in what one does as a vocation. If the person is not directly involved in arts, spirituality, music, dance, poetry, cinema, photography, water sports, oceanography, international relations, or constant traveling, then philanthropy and working as a volunteer in any capacity would be an ideal way of letting this energy manifest as constructively as possible.

In the next post, I will address Neptune in Succedent Houses (2nd, 5th, 8th, 11th).

If you are interested in understanding Neptune in your own birth chart or if you have specific questions regarding your chart, you can book a consultation or take a class.

9 Replies to “Desire to Return: Neptune in the Birth Chart (Pt. 1: Angular Houses)”

  1. Good general description. I am a published author of Dreams and Astrological Psychology, says it all.

  2. Thank you for the good posting…i see my Neptune different now…5th in Scorpio…i needed that insight

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