Chiron in the Birth Chart (Pt. 3: Houses 7, 8, 9)

Chiron in 7th House: male and female centaurs are kissing and playing.
Chiron in association with 7th House, Libra or Venus: “The Loves of the Centaurs” by Peter Paul Rubens (1635)

[This is a continuation from the previous post]. In the following post, I will address Chiron in 7th House, Chiron in Libra, or Chiron in aspect to Venus; Chiron in 8th House, Chiron in Scorpio, or Chiron in aspect to Pluto; and Chiron in 9th House, Chiron in Sagittarius, or Chiron in aspect to Jupiter:

Chiron in 7th House/ Chiron in Libra / Chiron in aspect to Venus:

The relation with the “other” may provide a unique chance to connect to the “pitiful” aspect of “sharing” the human experience: the tenderness, ephemerality, and impossibility which is implied in the very notion of coexistence. With this placement, one often has to face the existential inevitability of affecting the “other” while simultaneously being affected by the “other”. The soul may feel that there is no “escape” from such a predicament: one cannot be unless in relation with the “other”, and yet one cannot be with the “other”. With Chiron in the Seventh House, one usually perceives the presence of the “other” as a projection of “woundedness” of the self, in particular, and “woundedness” of the world, in general. The “other” may, in fact, become a “mirror” in which one can see the wounded parts of oneself, and towards which, one may thus feel irresistibly attracted.

If Chiron is close to the Descendant, the individual may encounter at least one particular person or event which would ultimately trigger a degree of “reflexivity” with regards to his or her psychological blind spots (i.e. becoming conscious of one’s own “wounds” and thus becoming conscious of how those “wounds” shape one’s reality). The experience can range from initial hurting to eventual healing through “relating” and “mirroring”. Regardless of all the differing details, the “other” (person or incident) would play a significant role in the psychological “suppleness” of the individual, and may even awaken a level of co-existential “pity” (i.e. a recognition of the impossibility and yet inevitability of co-existence) that one cannot possibly achieve on his or her own.

The Vulnerability of Chiron in 7th House:

If Chiron is uncomfortable in the Seventh House, in Libra or in association with Venus, one may be perceived by others as “wounded” or “pitiful”, or alternatively, one may perceive others as such. In this case, the relationship “vibe” the individual may emit can attract “Chironic” types: those whose wounds are impossible to heal, or those who have a desire to heal the impossible wounds of others. Sometimes the “wound” itself may become a “bonding agent” which can be unconsciously sustained by the individual in fear of losing the “other”.

Evolution of Chiron in 7th House:

If Chiron is evolved, one can eventually see the “other” as an agent of “healing”, regardless of all the possible “hurt” which might have been initially inflicted by the “other”.

If we are here to co-exist, we are bound to hurt each other. Yet, miraculously enough, we can equally “heal” each other by accepting the “share” we have in inflicting pain upon one another. There is no “pain” in isolation, and there is no “pleasure” in isolation. Pain and pleasure are both “relative” concepts which can be dealt with only in relation with the “other”. Even in our most private moments, the “other”, be it another human being, God, or a particular idea that is shaping in our head, is always there for us to “relate” to: with Chiron present in this sphere, we can truly experience the sheer pain and pleasure of “relating”, as part of the glorious and pitiful condition of being human.

Chiron in 8th House / Chiron in Scorpio / Chiron in aspect to Pluto:

One may experience a degree of moral or psychological “awkwardness”, discomfort, or dilemma with regards to one’s sexuality, safety, shared existence or mutual resources with the “other”. With Chiron associated with Pluto, Scorpio or the Eighth House, there may exist a “disfiguration” in the deepest layers of our instincts. Consequently, one may feel “vulnerable” in protecting oneself, the “other”, or in bonding with the “other” sexually, financially or psychologically.

The Vulnerability of Chiron in 8th House:

If Chiron is uncomfortable in this position, one may harbor a degree of psychological “dread” with regards to intimacy. Alternatively, an undeniable desire for intimacy at whatever cost may exist, which unconsciously propels the individual to seek “healing” through sharing his or her body or resources in a rather compulsive manner. Often, both extremes can be experienced by the individual: an unfathomable fear of intimacy, and yet an inexplicable compulsion for it.

We usually tend to forget that true “intimacy” requires a rather complicated and counter-intuitive ability to “trust” the “other” enough to want to voluntarily lose control with him or her. In order to allow the “other” to “break” our psychic or sexual solitude, and to “infringe” upon what is uniquely and sacredly ours (i.e. Scorpio or the Eighth House), we have to temporarily turn off our “basic” survival instinct (i.e. the opposite polarity of Taurus or Second House) in favor of a more “sophisticated” urge to merge with the “other”, and thus to go beyond what can be merely experienced in aloneness.

With an uncomfortable Chiron in association with the archetype of “union”, therefore, the ability to temporarily “turn off” the instinctual “lights” of self-control and self-protection in order to commune with the “other” in “darkness” may have been compromised in the psyche of the individual: one may simply be unable to “open up” one’s psychosexual space and let the “other” in.

Evolution of Chiron in 8th House:

An individual with an evolved Chiron in association with Scorpio, Eighth House or Pluto, however, may have a rather exquisite ability to “touch” and “heal” the “other” (and thus the “self”) through performing the very act he or she may unconsciously dread or find “pitiful”: spiritual, psychological or sexual (comm)union. Regardless of all the various details, an evolved Chiron in this position often shows that the individual can instinctually identify how the “other” is “wounded”, and would also know how to “soothe” that wound.

Sex therapists, “bereavement” counselors, and those who work with rape or abuse victims may indeed have chosen a “self-healing” profession if they have Chiron in association with Scorpio, the Eighth House or Pluto in their natal chart: through “touching” the scars of the “other”, one’s own injuries would gradually be soothed over time.

Chiron in 9th House / Chiron in Sagittarius / Chiron in aspect to Jupiter:

There may exist an “awkwardness” around the subjects of faith, spirituality or wisdom. Alternatively, one may feel “healed” through an engagement with such subjects. When Chiron is in association with Jupiter, Sagittarius, or the Ninth House, the individual cannot normally operate on “faith” alone, or one can go to an extreme relying too much on a theoretical framework that lends “meaning” to one’s existence, or morally, intellectually or religiously “justifies” one’s deeds.

The Vulnerability of Chiron in 9th House:

An uncomfortable Chiron in this position may incline one to disregard personal responsibility of examining one’s life (“an unexamined life is not worth living,” as Socrates stated) and resort to an overtly intellectual form of rationalization which may, in fact, camouflage one’s true motives. Often, an individual feels distraught when he or she abandons an honest reflection upon his or her inner “laws” and searches for external validation instead. Religious principles or philosophical doctrines may “justify” one’s thoughts or behavior, yet can never “liberate” one’s soul from oneself: the ultimate spiritual act is to know oneself and to “guide” oneself based on this awareness.

Alternatively, an uncomfortable Chiron in the Ninth House or in association with Jupiter may simply show the “impossibility” of faith, as if the individual’s capacity for “faith” has been somehow compromised, either because of traumatic experiences or through erroneous conclusions.

The character Antonio Salieri as portrayed in the movie Amadeus (1984) would be an apt example: he is a devout Christian whose only joy is to make music for God. To his absolute dismay, he realizes that God, in fact, has bestowed much more talent to Mozart who barely respects religious rituals or moral codes of behavior. In a fit of rage, Salieri tosses his so-passionately-loved crucifix on the fire and declares a war on God. Interestingly enough, the real-life Antonio Salieri had Chiron opposing Jupiter in his natal chart. With such a configuration, one may simply be unable to confess the “limits” of his or her existence, and may continue pushing in a direction that would eventually let the “end” justify the “means”.

Evolution of Chiron in 9th House:

An evolved Chiron in the Ninth House, in Sagittarius or in association with Jupiter would feel the depth of “despair” implied in human condition and yet rejoice in the “abundance” of “choice” within all the “limits” of life, for precisely because of such limits the “right” decisions would require “moral” integrity, and life would gain a higher meaning. In a limitless life, nothing would be “just” or “right” or “meaningful”. An individual with an evolved Chiron here would feel the “inevitability” of having a very personal and limited frame of reference, and yet precisely, for this reason, would respect his or her own “inner” moral codes, as well as those of others.

In the next post, I will address Chiron in Houses 10, 11, and 12 of the birth chart, and in association with the archetypes related to these Houses as well.

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7 Replies to “Chiron in the Birth Chart (Pt. 3: Houses 7, 8, 9)”

      1. As I have see the date of the origin of Chiron, would the person with this aspect(26 degrees Sag), have a tendency to do what the Centaur did to humans and give them the knowledge to heal themselves? It is on the Ascendant as well?

        1. I’m not sure if I understand your question, Melinda, but thank you for your feedback anyway.

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