Saturn: Virgo/Pisces, 6th/12th, Neptune

Saturn in Virgo: Girl is sitting at a sewing machine, in front of a big window in a brown room.
Saturn in Virgo or the Sixth House: “Girl at a Sewing Machine” by Edward Hopper (1921)

[This is a continuation from a previous post]. In the following post, I will address Saturn in Virgo and Pisces, Saturn in 6th House and 12th House, and Saturn in aspect to the planetary ruler of Pisces (Neptune):

Saturn in Virgo:

The structure of consciousness is formed around the notions of “efficiency” and “improvement”. If Saturn is functioning in a healthy manner, consciousness will be structured based on a tendency to analyze and mend itself. The outer world would be perceived through a critical filter which naturally discerns the missing elements. Evaluating and repairing would be the “default” context through which conscious life is understood.

The conscious mind would tend to organize mundane experiences in reference to the degree they can appease one’s scrutinizing outlook, as it seems that one’s evolutionary path would require practicing meticulous discrimination with regards to what one allows to come to the sphere of consciousness.

Difficulties of Saturn in Virgo:

If Saturn is not functioning comfortably, one may become too critical with regards to experiences passing through one’s highly-scrupulous conscious filter.  As the archetype of Virgo is also connected with the alchemical concept of “Sacred Marriage”, the individual with an uncomfortable Saturn here may experience difficulties regarding accepting his or her own true nature, including psychological, spiritual or physical predispositions which may not be “perfect”. In this case, the individual may become self-punishing through various forms of undermining his or her fulfillment in life, i.e. by choosing a lifestyle or a state of being which is oppressive or depressive.

Alternatively, in order to divert one’s attention from one’s own imperfections, in this case, one may dedicate oneself too much to the other, or the individual may go to the opposite extreme and make the other suffer on behalf of him or her, as “imperfection” may seem to be a universal sin which all have to pay for. It is, therefore, crucial for an individual with an uncomfortable Saturn in Virgo to gain an awareness of the possible tendency to alternate between self-punishment and other-punishment, even if such a behavior is not practiced explicitly.

This archetype is associated with “nuances” in general, and with this energy, it will be more fruitful if one focuses on self-analyzing oneself in search for any traces of undermining behavior or thought patterns, instead of self-analyzing oneself to find faults or to reinforce self-degrading views of one’s “imperfections”.

Saturn in Sixth House:

A “perfectionist” attitude exists with regards to daily chores, health, and diet, or serving the other. Alternatively, one may feel sluggish or reluctant with regards to fulfilling the requirements of any of these areas. Cleaning one’s house may seem to be a daunting task, for example, or losing weight may feel like an unattainable dream.

Either case, it is possible for an individual with this placement to need to “push” himself or herself to get things done, but once the motivation comes and the practical process starts, it will be equally hard to stop the individual from completing the task.

If Saturn is comfortable in the Sixth House, there often exists a natural tendency towards scheduling and organizing. In this case, one may be quite disciplined with regards to completing any given task, one’s diet and exercise routines, cleaning or optimizing one’s environment, improving one’s practical knowledge or skill set in order to enjoy a less stressful life.

Working may also be considered a source of self-improvement, and the individual will usually choose an occupation where he or she can act in a supporting capacity, rather than a commanding one. Physical or mental health industries would be an ideal environment for such individuals, as well as working in various centers or offices for rehabilitation and recovery, nutrition and fitness, or producing handicrafts or minute objects.

Difficulties of Saturn in Sixth House:

If Saturn is not comfortable, one may feel initially blocked with regards to maintaining routines, health or positive habits. Food and substance addiction may also develop quickly and may be neurotically used as a primary defense mechanism against stress. Smokers with this placement, for example, may have an especially difficult time to unhook themselves from their cigarettes, or overweight individuals may completely succumb to their unhealthy eating habits if they make only one small mistake in the course of maintaining a dietary regime.

The “perfectionist” attitude which Saturn symbolizes here may thus lead to a rather quick disappointment with oneself and one’s capacity to be “good”. Inability to quit bad habits may take epic dimensions in the psyche of the individual, to the point of actually “pushing” the individual to the opposite extreme of self-destructive indulgence as a form of self-punishment. Since the individual may feel an inordinate amount of self-loathing if he or she fails at any stage of the process of being “good”, indulging in a quick fix such as a shot of alcohol or a puff of smoke may literally feel like saving oneself from one’s own stressful confines (i.e. the opposite polarity of Pisces). If such an association is formed in one’s psyche, it will be quite difficult not to fall into the abyss of addiction.

Alternatively, an individual with an uncomfortable Saturn in the Sixth House may feel stressed about all the little things which are normally considered a source of relaxation for others. As an example, for many such individuals, the joy of having a pet or plant may be equal to the amount of time and energy which has to go into taking care of that pet or plant. Therefore, an individual with this placement has to carefully consider his or her availability before assuming the responsibility of owning pets or high-maintenance plants such as orchids or bonsai trees. Otherwise, such delightful additions to one’s life may turn into further causes of stress.

Evolutionary Path of Saturn in Sixth House:

The evolutionary path for an individual with Saturn in the Sixth House seems to include a practical understanding of the “imperfect” nature of life and developing an ability to enjoy life despite all the imperfections of self and others. A wonderful source of refuge for individuals with this configuration when they are under stress will be an absolute indulgence of senses in a healthy manner.

An exposure to pleasant fragrances, soft sounds, or receiving a deep-tissue body massage can radically reduce the stress levels of these individuals. Daily chores and other routines should be scheduled with a flexible attitude, with enough time margin to prevent a sense of failure in case the individual cannot complete all the required tasks in the allotted time. Paying attention to small details, such as watching the sunlight peeking through the curtains, listening to a bird flying over the trees, smelling one’s morning coffee, or feeling the softness of a cat or a blanket can all boost one’s mental attitude and relax the fits of self-criticism which may occur every now and then.

“Father Complex” of Saturn in Association with Virgo or 6th House:

Saturn in Virgo or the Sixth House can also symbolize a father figure who could be explicitly critical, implicitly undermining, or simply having a heightened awareness of what could be “improved” about the child, especially with regards to the child’s mental, academic, or learning capacities. Alternatively, the father or the “paternal line” may have never conveyed a sense of human “equality” between themselves and the child. The child was probably approached as an “inferior”, even if this attitude was not overtly discernible by the individual during childhood.

This can be carried over to the adult life as an inexplicable sense of “inferiority” which may eventually lead to a heightened sensitivity to other people’s opinions or a constant need for flattery. The individual may also get into a habit of procrastinating, simply because he or she may never feel quite “ready” enough to complete a task as “perfectly” as possible.

An awareness of why such behavioral patterns may exist is crucial in order to reduce them. If the individual can trace this back to the possible “inferiority complex” he or she may be harboring, efficient methods of healing and behavioral change may become more readily available to him or her. Otherwise, without delving deep in order to find the root cause of the problem, all such patterns may persist and thus bring further frustration to the life of the individual.

Saturn in Pisces:

The structure of consciousness is formed around the notions of “fluidity” and “surrender”. If Saturn is functioning in a healthy manner, consciousness will be structured based on a tendency to submit oneself to the Higher Will or Universal Law, rather than relying on any ego-based conclusions. Unifying and holistic vision would be the “default” context through which conscious life is understood.

Consciousness may display a constantly-shifting self-reflexive quality, as it understands itself as part of the phenomenon which it is about to comprehend, rather than assuming the position of a detached observer capable of objective understanding of that phenomenon.

Difficulties of Saturn in Pisces:

If Saturn is not functioning comfortably, one may become too subjective to the point of completely losing sight of the phenomenon as is. In this case, “consciousness” may primarily function based on “impressions” and inadvertently exclude “observations” because of the difficulty involved in forming an objective understanding of things. It is important, therefore, to be aware of the fact that one’s view of the world is bound to be “partial”, yet at times one has to strive for a degree of “detached observation” when the necessity arises.

A recognition of the possible biased outlook one’s “subjective” field of perception may be prone to, will help one avoid labeling one’s conscious perception as “absolute truth” and will thus open doors to a more accurate, less tinted view of the phenomenal world (i.e. the world as it appears to human beings).

Saturn in Twelfth House:

There may exist a high degree of “collective” awareness in the individual, which would subsequently incline him or her to feel vulnerable with regards to the collective shifts, for better or for worse. Alternatively, one may experience a degree of being “alien” towards one’s own environment (i.e. the opposite polarity of the Sixth House), race or religion (i.e. square to the Ninth House), or one’s own linguistic or cognitive background (i.e. square to the Third House).

An involvement in the collective affairs may come naturally to the individual, yet the opposite extreme is also equally possible: the individual may feel so shunned by the collective that may actually choose a life of seclusion, either literally by choosing a quiet or isolated habitat, or metaphorically by escaping into the world of fantasy, metaphysics, arts or spirituality.

If Saturn is comfortable in the Twelfth House, one usually tends to prioritize “facts” over “fiction”, or would prefer “polished” artistic or recreational styles over the “frothy” ones. There usually exists a self-restraint with regards to what almost all other people can lose control about, such as sex, body-related functions, or day-dreaming.

The person may also enjoy a high degree of charisma which can captivate the imagination of the collective, as the subliminal vibe is that of control and strength. Healing from past wounds or collective-induced trauma can take place quite effectively, as the sober planet of consciousness resides in the haunted house of unconscious residues.

Difficulties of Saturn in Twelfth House:

If Saturn is not comfortable, there may exist an initial resistance towards the process of “healing” or “recovery”. In this case, the individual may feel “stuck” in something he or she cannot quite capture consciously. One’s dreams may be tainted by dark imagery or painful past-life reiteration. Alternatively, the individual may suffer from inexplicable psychosomatic ailments (i.e. the opposite polarity of the Sixth House) or may lose sleep because of anxieties which loom seemingly out of nowhere.

Continuous psychoanalytical work and possibly past-life therapy may alleviate these conditions, yet the most important step one can take towards “healing” would be an exercise of “surrendering” to the flow of life and allowing the cosmic forces to do their magic in the life of the individual. With an uncomfortable Saturn in this section of the chart, there may also exist a substantial amount of self-undermining past-life habits which have been carried over to this life cycle.

Such habits have to be addressed and subsequently released. Otherwise, if a dedicated and disciplined psychological and spiritual work is avoided in this lifetime, these deep-rooted behavioral and thought patterns may stay imprinted on the soul and be carried over to the next life cycle as well.

Evolutionary Path of Saturn in Twelfth House:

The evolutionary path for an individual with Saturn in the Twelfth House seems to include an inner awareness of one’s inevitable enmeshment with the collective, and to come to terms with the idea of lack of personal “control”. Developing “trust” in the spiritual procedures of the cosmos and releasing one’s grief to God seems to alleviate the incomprehensible trepidations which may plague the inner life of the individual every now and then.

It is important for individuals with this placement to keep a sense of humor and take life as it comes, rather than paralyzing themselves through self-doubt or repetitious thought patterns. It is equally important to let go of a “perfectionist” attitude with regards to “healing” or self-improvement. As the iconic American poet and novelist Gertrude Stein (1874 – 1946), who had this placement in her natal chart, indicated beautifully: “One does not get better but different and older and that is always a pleasure.”

Saturn in Aspect to Neptune:

With the planet of “consciousness” in aspect to the planet of the “collective unconscious”, one usually tends to experience episodes of déjà vu or cyclical recurrence of memories or impressions in synchrony with real-life incidents. A rather famous Taoist story illustrates this configuration perfectly:

One night, Zhuangzi dreamed of being a butterfly — a happy butterfly, showing off and doing things as he pleased, unaware of being Zhuangzi. Suddenly he awoke, drowsily, Zhuangzi again. And he could not tell whether it was Zhuangzi who had dreamt the butterfly or the butterfly dreaming Zhuangzi. But there must be some difference between them! This is called ‘the transformation of things’.

The Neptunian “dream” world is being “analyzed” by the philosophical “consciousness” represented by Saturn here. In a similar fashion, this aspect may hint at a subtle intermingling between the soothing allure of “dreams” and the sobering demands of “reality”. Idealism and Realism, in other words, may overlap in the psyche of the individual. As one grows older, one can utilize this energy in a constructive manner by offering practical help or guidance to those in need, with the hope of making this world a better place for all to live in.

Difficulties of Saturn in Aspect to Neptune:

If Saturn and Neptune are not comfortable, one may experience a “falling apart” of whatever one has painstakingly built in life, or one’s individual efforts may be frustrated by the collective forces such as war, natural disasters or man-made calamities. The key to working with such an energy is “conscious surrender”: as long as one remains conscious of one’s place in the cosmos, one will remain secure in the knowledge that one’s soul can transcend all catastrophes, even in the absence of physical existence.

“Father Complex” of Saturn in Association with Pisces, 12th House or Neptune:

Saturn in Pisces, in the Twelfth House, or in aspect to Neptune can also symbolize a father figure who is mystical, ineffectual, or somehow unavailable. Alternatively, the father figure could simply belong to a race, religion or culture quite different from what was predominant in the early childhood environment of the individual. One could also experience an array of “father-figures” through adoption, immigration or spiritual work. Either case, it is possible that there was some confusion or unorthodoxy regarding the father or the paternal line. The individual may thus have developed a feeling of not quite belonging to the particular family of origin, or somehow belonging to more than one family.

As one grows older, in fact, such an innate orientation can manifest favorably by facilitating the process of connecting to the collective on various levels. In this case, the individual may even be regarded as a “welcome guest” by those who are not related to him or her by blood. If Saturn is not functioning in a conscious manner, however, the individual may experience the opposite extreme of being completely “deprived” of a sense of belonging to the universe, which may, in turn, cause an unfathomable existential estrangement or persisting episodes of depression.

Either case, one may remind oneself that the “Heavenly Father” is the ultimate “protector”, who is not biased, limited, perfectionist or judgmental in his approach to his children. With Saturn in the Twelfth House, one is blessed with a higher chance of truly connecting to such an inexhaustible source of security, and surrendering oneself in absolute trust in the love and benevolence of such an infinitely protective force.

In the next post, I will introduce you to Jupiter: Jupiter in Signs, Houses and Aspects will be addressed in detail.

 *Please note that the above interpretations are oversimplified and can be modified by other factors present in each individual chart.

**For an introduction to Saturn, please read this article.

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6 Replies to “Saturn: Virgo/Pisces, 6th/12th, Neptune”

  1. I am astounded at your level of insight. You write well and with a high level of sensibility. I’ll keep an eye on your posts. Thank you for taking the time and effort to help others. Best regards !!

  2. Tropically, I have Saturn in the 6th, in Pisces, conjunct the descendent in a 3 degree orb. Thank you so much for writing this article, especially translating the healing evolutionary path.

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